tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459988184425389411.post6394437581039998810..comments2011-01-28T16:29:04.382-08:00Comments on Thinking Aloud: Finding company on the journeyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459988184425389411.post-85672122153471170472009-04-17T13:23:00.000-07:002009-04-17T13:23:00.000-07:00Hi Steve,
I read through your post on the Fall –...Hi Steve, <br /><br />I read through your post on the Fall – not is one sitting though - a lot of meat there. Right now I’m not really sure where I stand on some of this – but I agree with your comment above that “I'm experiencing a remarkable lack of cognitive dissonance on all this”. For my own take on the Fall (which is really mostly commentary on what others have written) see my post <A HREF="http://evanevodialogue.blogspot.com/2008/02/reconciling-fall-and-evolution.html" REL="nofollow">Reconciling the Fall and Evolution</A>. <br /><br />Re: Dembski's article, I had never heard of “a retroactive fall” before reading the paper and was really intrigued by it. I was hoping I’d see some other discussion of it but the ID community seemed to ignore that paper (the one that made the most sense to me) & focused on his other stuff. <br /><br />For myself, I’ve now taken a really different perspective and come to appreciate the writing of George Murphy – he’s a scientist, theologian, and Lutheran pastor. His book “The Cosmos in the Light of the Cross” is excellent. George also did a guest-post series on Evolution and Original Sin (with response from 3 other guests) that touches some of the major themes. See <A HREF="http://evanevodialogue.blogspot.com/2008/12/index-for-series-on-evolution-and.html" REL="nofollow">here for the index for the series</A>.<br /><br />Interesting - just noticed your post that Falk's book got "the ball rolling" for you. Same here.Steve Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734019573868663947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459988184425389411.post-55877902391659296892009-04-17T07:35:00.000-07:002009-04-17T07:35:00.000-07:00The idea of a "retroactive fall" used to be the be...The idea of a "retroactive fall" used to be the best accounting of things I could imagine, but it always seemed contrived. My current views of how the "fall" took place, of how true moral culpability reconciles with evolutionary origins, are laid out in my post <A HREF="http://thinkingaloud99.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-evolutionary-chisel-divine-sculptor.html" REL="nofollow">The Evolutionary "Chisel"...</A>, about halfway down, beginning where it says, "How, then, might we conceive how this inherited predicament came about, if we do not take Genesis as literal history?" or a little earlier where I address Romans 5. I'm experiencing a remarkable lack of cognitive dissonance on all this, though it's always possible I'm just being dense! I'd love to hear your thoughts.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300972358103400058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459988184425389411.post-52812422336817990602009-04-17T07:16:00.000-07:002009-04-17T07:16:00.000-07:00I very much enjoyed your article on Gen 1-11. Con...I very much enjoyed your <A HREF="http://evanevodialogue.blogspot.com/2007/10/genesis-1-11-background-context-and.html" REL="nofollow">article on Gen 1-11</A>. Concise and compelling rundown in which, as someone there commented, the relevant message of Genesis for today "leaps off the page."Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300972358103400058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459988184425389411.post-32757941500887202872009-04-17T04:16:00.000-07:002009-04-17T04:16:00.000-07:00Hi Steve,
No I haven't read Arnold's commentary -...Hi Steve, <br />No I haven't read Arnold's commentary - I never came across his until I'd read the others. I'm now pretty comfortable with the ideas in the aforementioned books so another Gen commentary isn't on my to-read list right now. I put my own (non-specialist) thoughts on this down in my post <A HREF="http://evanevodialogue.blogspot.com/2007/10/genesis-1-11-background-context-and.html" REL="nofollow"> Genesis 1 –11: Background, Context, and Theology</A>awhile back. <br /><br />I also looked at your older post <A HREF="http://thinkingaloud99.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-about-retroactive-fall.html" REL="nofollow">What about a "retroactive fall"</A>. Very interesting - I've always found that Dembski article very interesting but was surprised to see so little commentary on it.Steve Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734019573868663947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459988184425389411.post-63636006191564208452009-04-16T18:35:00.000-07:002009-04-16T18:35:00.000-07:00Hi Steve Martin, thanks for the Wenham tip! RJS's ...Hi Steve Martin, thanks for the Wenham tip! RJS's recent posts at Jesus Creed certainly have me curious about Bill Arnold's Genesis commentary from Cambridge Univ Pres. Have you seen that?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08300972358103400058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4459988184425389411.post-34969939790884883642009-04-16T15:56:00.000-07:002009-04-16T15:56:00.000-07:00Looks like you've found the Gems - Sarna's book is...Looks like you've found the Gems - Sarna's book is excellent - I found it helpful in my journey. Enns, Wright, Walton, and Sparks - agreed. Only one I'd add is maybe Gordon Wenham's "Genesis 1-15. Word Biblical Commentary" ... for an Evangelical scholar to write that in 1987 is amazing. Also agree that almost all the RJS posts on Jesus Creed are very good (I read Scot's posts only occasionally but read all of RJS's)Steve Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734019573868663947noreply@blogger.com